{"id":9601,"date":"2026-08-31T06:44:33","date_gmt":"2026-08-31T10:44:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/?p=9601"},"modified":"2026-08-31T09:49:41","modified_gmt":"2026-08-31T13:49:41","slug":"henry-rollins-and-the-cramps-gravest-gravy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/henry-rollins-and-the-cramps-gravest-gravy\/","title":{"rendered":"Henry Rollins and The Cramps&#8217; Gravest Gravy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/rollinscramps.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-9602 size-full\" src=\"http:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/rollinscramps.jpg\" alt=\"Henry Rollins sitting \/ cover Gravest Gravy with The Cramps standing in an alley with three dogs\" width=\"813\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/rollinscramps.jpg 813w, https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/rollinscramps-300x148.jpg 300w, https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/rollinscramps-768x378.jpg 768w, https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/rollinscramps-590x290.jpg 590w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 813px) 100vw, 813px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>In October 1977, just a few months after former electric eels drummer Nick Knox had joined singer Lux Interior and guitarists Poison Ivy and Bryan Gregory and solidified the lineup that would soon make the band\u2019s reputation, The Cramps travelled to Ardent Studios in Memphis with Alex Chilton. Chilton, the legendary frontman of Big Star and the Box Tops, had offered to record the band after seeing The Cramps perform at CBGB. Though the end goal was just a single, Chilton wanted the band to record a bunch of material and then use the cream of the crop.<\/p>\n<p>The sessions resulted in The Cramps\u2019 first two singles\u2014\u201cSurfin\u2019 Bird\u201d b\/w \u201cThe Way I Walk\u201d and \u201cHuman Fly\u201d b\/w \u201cDomino\u201d\u2014both released on the band\u2019s own Vengeance Records in 1978. Another track from the recordings, a cover of Ricky Nelson\u2019s \u201cLonesome Town,\u201d surfaced on <i>Gravest Hits<\/i>, a compilation of the two singles, but otherwise the sessions were filed away as demos, with new recordings of many of the tracks appearing on subsequent releases.<\/p>\n<p>Until now. Thanks to the hard work and diligence of a group of Cramps aficionados, the rest of those Ardent recordings have now seen the light of day as <i>Gravest Gravy<\/i> on a revitalized Vengeance Records. Ivy and Lux had planned to release the recordings, mixing the tracks and even choosing the album name and cover photo in 1989, but for reasons lost to time, the project was shelved and never revisited before Lux\u2019s death in 2009. As a result, the six reel-to-reel tapes containing the record had been sitting in Ivy\u2019s garage collecting dust.<\/p>\n<p>Fortunately, Larry Hardy of In the Records discovered the tapes and told Henry Rollins about them, who has become something of a punk rock archivist now that his days of fronting the Rollins Band are over. Hardy recruited film producer Jimmy Masion to help with the running of the Vengeance label and Cramps Inc., and Rollins brought on Ian MacKaye as an extra set of ears, and now <i>Gravest Gravy<\/i> has seen the light of day, along with reissues of several of The Cramps&#8217; later records and a slew of merch.<\/p>\n<p>I caught up with Rollins before the record\u2019s release to delve into how this historic release came about, his own personal connection to the band, and what\u2019s next.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I&#8217;m particularly excited about this Cramps release because I was born in Cleveland, and I have a particular interest in all things Ohio, and in particular northeast Ohio.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Henry Rollins:<\/strong> I got into the Cramps a long time ago, like when the first two singles came out. There was no internet, so you had to go ask your older music friend, who&#8217;s been into punk rock six minutes longer, what&#8217;s what. You start to learn there&#8217;s this Ohio component, and then you find Devo, Pere Ubu, electric eels, and the Pagans. Then I met the Necros from Ohio when I was in Black Flag. They were serious Ohio music experts, so I find out that there&#8217;s like 10 other records I need to get. And then I started seeing what informed Lux, like the Mad Daddy (northeast Ohio radio DJ Pete Meyers) and Ghoulardi. Those were some serious influences, like really powerful winds, that shaped a young Lux Interior. We never knew where &#8220;stay sick&#8221; and &#8220;turn blue&#8221; came from. We figured Lux must have come up with it, but no, he didn&#8217;t. He got it from Ghoulardi.<\/p>\n<p><strong>For me, I was seeing the album cover for <i>Bad Music for Bad People<\/i> all over the place before I heard the actual music. And again, like you said, no internet, so you have no context and don&#8217;t know anything. I finally bought the record expecting some classic punk rock, and it&#8217;s just like, &#8220;Holy shit, who is this drug-addicted deviant singing about these things?&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>HR:<\/strong> It was a whole other world. And it made me buy different records.<\/p>\n<p>The first time I saw them was April &#8217;79 in a bar with no stage. They played on the floor. I bought a CDR of the show on eBay, and it&#8217;s as good as I remember them being. I saw them many times afterwards, but I remember distinctly thinking to myself at that show that this is not punk rock, and am I allowed to like it? But what is it?<\/p>\n<p>The singer in the Teen Idles, the first band on Dischord, was one of the cool kids. He&#8217;d been into punk rock longer than Ian and I had by like a year or something, and he had all those records before we did. I remember being in his bedroom, and he had the first Dolls album, Heartbreakers, <i>Raw Power<\/i>. He was in touch with the original writing on the cave walls. I should have bought those records immediately, because he was into some good stuff that I picked up on later. So he said, &#8220;Well, it&#8217;s rockabilly,\u201d and I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Rocka what?&#8221; So he directed me to a really cheap cutout rockabilly compilation called the <i>King-Federal Rockabillys<\/i>. It&#8217;s the King label and the Federal label, with a little bit of this and a little bit of that. It was like $2.99, which I could afford with my minimum wage paycheck. So I bought the record, and I&#8217;m like, &#8220;Am I allowed to like music by people with greasy hair?&#8221; Eventually, from reading Cramps interviews, you come to understand that the rockabillies took more drugs, broke more laws, did more jail time, had more kids out of wedlock, and crashed more cars. I mean, they were the danger to society that punk rock pretended to be a lot of the time, like the people you really don&#8217;t want in your neighborhood. Punk rockers are very nice young boys and girls. The rockabillies will steal your car and put it out in their front yard on cinder blocks. These were really degenerate people.<\/p>\n<p>Lux and Ivy went for a bigger artery, a more direct line to Elvis and these people who are with their 13-year-old cousin brides. That&#8217;s the entrance Lux and Ivy went in, which makes The Clash and The Damned seem a bit removed and a bit like &#8220;Let me get my makeup off before my parents come in.\u201d Lux and Ivy\u2014they looked like The Cramps when they went to the grocery store. Lux would go to the gym&#8230; can you imagine that? But he&#8217;d work out in sunglasses. So I think they were getting rock &amp; roll from, dare I say, a more direct, powerful dose, whereas punk rock is a tributary off the main line. If you&#8217;re smart, you&#8217;ll explore it. You&#8217;ll go get the records and do the reading, and you&#8217;ll find some great, great music and some great stories of real debauchery and sad, sad endings.<\/p>\n<p>The Cramps were a transformational band. Dave Vanian of The Damned, who I love, did not make me listen to Link Wray. And thankfully, I got to listen. The Cramps were a band that made me understand rock &amp; roll in a way that had I just stayed in the punk rock pot, I never would have connected those dots. Not even listening to The Stooges or The Velvet Underground would have brought me to the understanding that I currently hold.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I dug up something that you had done for the <i>LA Times<\/i> when Lux passed away, and there was a great story in there about you and Ian helping him off with his pants.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>HR:<\/strong> And then returning the pants! We were in the front row, no barricade, and he goes, &#8220;Hey boys, help me get my pants off,&#8221; and we&#8217;re like, &#8220;Yes sir, Mr. Interior!\u201d And he&#8217;s wearing those black drape denim pants that he probably got at Trash on Vaudeville in the East Village. Everyone was wearing them. Anyway, we start to peel them off him, and they&#8217;re skin-tight, so they&#8217;re coming off like a tangerine skin. We get them off, and they&#8217;re inside out, so we quickly put them right side in, fold them, and leave them on the stage. Lux does the rest of the show in bright white underwear with a decal of some monster over the naughty bits that says &#8220;creepy.&#8221; I&#8217;ll never forget it because it was right in my face. And then, three minutes later, he landed on top of us. He&#8217;s grinding all over us, and I distinctly remember the smell of his aftershave on my body because his sweat was all over me. But we made sure to give him his pants back because we didn&#8217;t want to see Lux traipsing around nighttime DC with nothing but his bright white underwear with the decal. So we went to the dressing room and knocked. The door opened, and Nick Knox peeked out.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;What do you want?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We have Mr. Interior&#8217;s pants.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>He opened the door slightly wider and threw his head over his shoulders. &#8220;Lux, the boys are here! They&#8217;ve had your pants cleaned and pressed.&#8221; Then he snatched the pants away from us and slammed the door.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/cramps.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-9611\" src=\"http:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/cramps.jpg\" alt=\"Bryan Gregory, Lux Interior, Nick Knox, and Poison Ivy of The Cramps\" width=\"600\" height=\"407\" srcset=\"https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/cramps.jpg 600w, https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/cramps-300x204.jpg 300w, https:\/\/agitreader.com\/wp2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/08\/cramps-590x400.jpg 590w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Did you have many other interactions with them? I mean, did Black Flag or Rollins Band ever share a bill with them?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>HR:<\/strong> In 1990, at the first-ever Pukkelpop festival in Belgium, Rollins Band and The Cramps were on the bill, and I spoke briefly with Lux after that show. I would see Lux and Ivy at shows in LA, but never anyone else. I knew Kid (second guitarist Kid Congo Powers) just because I was living in LA. I&#8217;ve known Kid for decades. He&#8217;s like the best guy.<\/p>\n<p>Lux and Ivy weren&#8217;t exactly a charm offensive. The last time I was with them, I was watching Iggy Pop at the Palladium. I was riveted by Iggy, but I looked over, and I&#8217;m standing next to Lux and Ivy. But they had a thing in public that basically said: &#8220;Do not approach.&#8221; They&#8217;re not mean people, but they are into themselves and each other. Lux is into Ivy, and Ivy is into Lux, and the rest of you can just step away. But every time they would come to DC, Ian would be there. He\u2019d show up, and they&#8217;d want to talk to him to see how Dischord was doing. They loved independent labels because they had one, and they thought Dischord was really cool. So he hung out with them quite a bit. But that&#8217;s Ian&#8217;s life, not mine. I was much more on the fan level. Like in the Black Flag days, The Cramps would play LA, and Ivy would put me on the guest list. So we were cool like that, and I lived in the same city as them for years. Ivy still lives in the same house down the street from Larry (Hardy).<\/p>\n<p>I feel so lucky to have been in DC when I was young, though, because The Cramps were New Yorkers at that point, and they would come down to DC a lot as it&#8217;s just like five hours. When Ivy was over at my house in LA years ago, I told her the first live tape I ever copied was from when her pal Ian crawled in through the window at Georgetown University at the Hall of Nations and recorded their February &#8217;79 show. It was the first time he ever saw The Cramps. Lux vomited the contents of a six-pack of dark Heineken, and you can hear it on the tape. You could hear him puking.<\/p>\n<p>I said, &#8220;Here&#8217;s the cassette. Would you please just touch this tape so I can tell Ian?&#8221; And she says, \u201cOh, Ian, he&#8217;s so nice.&#8221; So I called Ian later that day and told him that I had Ivy touch my Hall of Nations tape, and he&#8217;s like, &#8220;God, you&#8217;re so weird.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So that happened. But I was lucky to have been infected at such a young age. They had played DC before; I just wasn&#8217;t hip enough, and I would have been underage. But now that I&#8217;m an old ass man, here Ian and I are working with their material. As you probably know, Cramps Inc. is Ivy, of course, Jimmy Masion, and Larry Hardy. And so Jimmy and Larry run the show and do the day-to-day and the financials for getting records back into print. I am the audio guy, but I am not part of Cramps Inc. I work on behalf of Cramps Inc. I serve at the pleasure of Jimmy, Larry, and Ivy. I have all the audio, and I&#8217;m the one coming up with the ideas for what to release. Ian is my partner and is a set of ears I trust far more than mine. I don&#8217;t do any of these projects without asking Ian what he thinks. So Ian and I are doing this together, but I&#8217;m the one in charge of maintaining the tapes, transferring them to archival boxes, getting them clean, digitized, and stabilized because Ian does enough of that with his own archive.<\/p>\n<p>So that&#8217;s my job; then I go to Ian with the mixes I&#8217;ve picked out, and we debate and discuss. That&#8217;s how we came to the mixes that you hear on <i>Gravest Gravy<\/i>. We&#8217;re doing everything with The Cramps catalog, from selecting mixes to actually mixing multitrack tape, which we just did for something for next year. Larry heard our work the other day, and he loves it. There&#8217;s still more work to do on that particular project, which Ian and I will resume later this summer. It&#8217;s going to be really great.<\/p>\n<p>Then there&#8217;s more after that. We&#8217;re working away at trying to make cool Cramps records that you&#8217;ve never heard. It might be hard to top <i>Gravest Gravy<\/i>, which is a true archeological find. Larry found it in Ivy&#8217;s garage. He was going through tapes and found a little batch of quarter-inch tapes. Ivy explained what they were, and Larry had the tapes baked and transferred at Warner Bros by Brian Kehew. He sent the mixes to me, and I was floored. &#8220;Wow, there&#8217;s The Cramps doing &#8216;Hungry&#8217; by Paul Revere and the Raiders!&#8221; If you&#8217;re a tape trader nerd like I am, you remember that song from a handful of really early Cramps shows before it fell out of the set as originals replaced it. Same with &#8220;Problem Child,&#8221; which is also on <i>Gravest Gravy<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>We can thank Alex Chilton for telling them to record every song they knew, and they&#8217;d pick the best. They did that and that&#8217;s why we have this batch of tunes and the master tapes. We have some of them and we have leads on some of the others. It&#8217;s Chilton, so they could be anywhere. Was he talented? Yes, but you know, a wild guy. So we&#8217;re on a mission where we&#8217;re chasing down leads. It&#8217;s quite cool. It&#8217;s going to make a great book someday.<\/p>\n<p><strong>How did you initially get involved?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>HR:<\/strong> I work with Larry very closely. He&#8217;s done my merchandise for a hundred years. I make it, but he sells it and warehouses it. And Larry and I are both collector-boy punk-rock nerds. I have a knack for finding rare tape because I go to auction sites, and I know a few people because of how long I&#8217;ve been at it. I do things like extract the first Ruts recording session with &#8220;In a Rut&#8221; and an extra song. So I ask Larry, &#8220;Would you like to put out The Ruts&#8217; &#8216;In a Rut&#8217; sessions with the extra song from the master tapes?&#8221; And he gives me the green light.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Hey Larry, I&#8217;ve got live tapes of The Gun Club where they cover &#8216;Psycho&#8217; by The Sonics. I think it&#8217;s a seven-inch.\u201d So we call Jackie, Jeffrey Lee Pierce&#8217;s sister, who we&#8217;ve known for years. \u201cCan we do this?\u201d She trusts us, so yes. Call up Kid Congo and Romi (Mori), who were on the record, for permission, and they&#8217;re like, &#8220;Go man, go.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So Larry and I have been in cahoots for years, and he is very close to Ivy and was to Lux when he was with us. He would go over to their house. They live blocks away from each other, and he would help them with their foreign licensing deals. He and Lux actually loaded all the tapes into their garage. I requested a meeting with Ivy because I wanted to talk to her about her tapes and all of her paper, and how I&#8217;d like to be her archivist. I have the climate-controlled environment. I don&#8217;t sell things\u2014I don&#8217;t think about money with this\u2014I just want to be the person jealously protecting, and that tape is in a garage, which is not good for tape. No garage is good for tape.<\/p>\n<p>So she comes over and sees my setup. She likes it. I said, &#8220;I would just like to be your archivist. You know my aim is true. I&#8217;m not trying to jump in your pocket and be your best friend, but I can really do this.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>She goes, &#8220;I know. I like you. I trust you. Let me think about it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>That turned into years. So late last year, I said to Larry, &#8220;Those tapes, I worry, Larry, I worry.&#8221; So Larry and Jimmy went to her and said, &#8220;We&#8217;d like to run the show for you. The records are out of print, and the bootleggers are having a fun time. Please, may we?&#8221; And luckily for all of us, she said yes.<\/p>\n<p>You should know that all of this stuff has been in the works for a long time. We&#8217;ve just been really secret about it. But now we can go to the rooftops and yell.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Besides giving her blessing, how involved has Ivy been?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>HR:<\/strong> She did the heavy lifting years ago. She mixed the tracks, and she and Lux came up with the cover, which we had to extract from Getty, which is a distinctly unpleasant experience. They&#8217;re not nice, and they&#8217;re very expensive. But past that&#8230; you notice you&#8217;re not talking to Ivy. You&#8217;re talking to the press lackey. Ian&#8217;s getting dragged into one of them. They all want to talk to Ian, of course, but he&#8217;s a really busy guy. I&#8217;m an easy date.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I get the impression that when Lux passed, she was done with it.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>HR:<\/strong> As the risk of talking out of class, you can probably assume all of that just by looking at the nature of how fiercely they loved each other. You can get that from reading about them.<\/p>\n<p>I can&#8217;t imagine. I&#8217;ve never loved anyone. I&#8217;m a crazy person. I live alone. I can&#8217;t imagine that pain. So we can do the work for the fans and the business, because The Cramps are a business, and someone&#8217;s got to mind the store. She should have really good people who will do anything for her, and whatever she wants, we&#8217;ll do it.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve been involved in a lot of records in my life. I&#8217;ve done a lot of stuff, but this is the most meaningful batch of tunes. This is really a big deal, because they brought me to the dance years ago. The first time I was ever in a club seeing a band, I saw The Cramps, and to get to put our fingers in the dough, it&#8217;s a big deal. It&#8217;s so meaningful to me and to Larry and to Jimmy because we love The Cramps, like Cramps fans all over the world. There&#8217;s not a single dollar in it for me. I\u2019m looking forward to The Cramps punter, who&#8217;s already ordered the record, to have them play it and go, &#8220;Wow, not a letdown. It&#8217;s as cool as I hoped.&#8221; It&#8217;s going to be a good time to be a Cramps fan. Other things are in the works. I&#8217;m not allowed to put the cart in front of the horse, but we&#8217;re working on things, other parts of the of the early catalog. There&#8217;s more dough we want to stick our fingers into.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><i>Henry Rollins photo by Ross Halfin; The Cramps photo by David Godlis<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In October 1977, just a few months after former electric eels drummer Nick Knox had joined singer Lux Interior and guitarists Poison Ivy and Bryan Gregory and solidified the lineup that would soon make the band\u2019s reputation, The Cramps travelled to Ardent Studios in Memphis with Alex Chilton. 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